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Saturday, 30-Jan-99
23:17:58
protected covering for your shoes?
... recently i heard about a company that wear scub booties
over their shoes. (like you would wear for on the job in a
hospital operating room) wouldn't this cause a problem with
traction especially if you step on a pile... i wouldn't think it
would be for protection from the spead of diease to one yard to
another (they would have to be waterproof and dispose of after
each job)
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 03-Feb-99
10:40:39
Re: protected covering for your shoes?
... I've read of veterinarians who wear shoe covers when they
make calls. I've also heard the idea mentioned for
pooper-scoopers, but I don't recall anybody actually doing it.
It seems a little bit excessive, to me. But I don't see that it
would do any harm.
Message Date/Time:
Saturday, 06-Feb-99
09:29:18
Re: protected covering for your shoes?
... An expensive nuisance, I think. Cheap ones tear or slip
off and as such are a complete waste. Expensive are, well,
expensive and may tear or slip off. Traction on hills might be
a problem, creating a safety hazard. I suggest good boots
cleaned after each yard with a disinfectant.
Message Date/Time:
Sunday, 07-Feb-99
13:44:46
Re: protected covering for your shoes?
... Hey!!!! Try Duck Boots. They are made of rubber and can
be worn as a shoe while scoopin. Then you can rinse them off
disenfect and go on your way. About $15.00-$20.00 a
pair.
Frank
K-9 Connections
Message Date/Time:
Tuesday, 09-Feb-99
00:01:31
Re: protected covering for your shoes?
... I wound up using a pair of rubber waterproof boots, as used
by cement workers, etc. Available at the hardware store for
about $15.00 they've lasted for months so far.
The soles
are standard boot tread so there is no slippage, they cover the
calves and can be blasted with disinfectant & hosed down as much
as you want. I did put a pair of Dr Scholl inserts to give them
suppoert. Oh yeah, because they're slip-ons you can tuck your
pants into them and look the height of fasion!
John
Ross
Scoopers Dog Waste Removal Service
Message Date/Time:
Tuesday, 02-Feb-99
21:47:28
What types of advertising seem to work
best?
... I couldn't believe it when I stumbled onto this site! My
husband and I have been in the scooping business full force
since March, 1998. We have a little over 50 weekly customers as
of now, but we are really trying to get at least 140 so that my
husband can quit his other job. (I stay home with baby) I also
do the data entry.
What I was wondering is what types of
advertising are you guys doing and what seems to work the best?
We've done newspapers, business cards (bone shaped) We have
been featured on local news, but we have been at a stand still
for months now! Every now and then we get another customer, but
then we usually lose one shortly thereafter...or vice versa.
Any ideas? Feel free to e-mail
me.
Sincerely,
Allison
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 03-Feb-99
10:36:56
Re: What types of advertising seem to work
best?
... 50 customers in your first year is not too bad. I have
heard of some companies that get more, but a lot of people start
of a lot slower, too.
For me, the most consistent source
of new customers was a classified ad in the neighborhood weekly
papers, run as often as you can afford it, especially in the
spring and fall. Leaving stacks of cards at groomers and vets
can help, too.
Large, professional-looking signs on your
truck can bring in significant numbers of customers. Also try a
customer-referral program, where you reward existing customers
for bringing in new business. Giving one free clean-up to an
existing customer for each new customer they refer to you is
cheaper than advertising and also promotes goodwill.
Depending on where you live, you may be able to buy a mailing
list of dog owners at a very low cost. In my county, the
license bureau of the county auditor sells a list of over 90,000
dog-license applicants for less than $20. Using that list, it's
possible to send post cards to very closely targeted
addresses.
Being in the news is the most powerful
marketing technique I know, and it costs the least. Finding
newsworthy angles for a press release now and then keeps your
name in the public eye and promotes good press relations.
This is the best time of year to be in the news, too. Spring
is when we get the biggest increase in new business.
Your experience in getting lots of new customers in the
springtime, then staying fairly even through the summer and
winter, is consistent with other pooper-scoopers.
Right now it's important to make sure you're ready for the
spring rush. Make sure your vehicle is in good shape, prepare
your advertising, place cards in shops around town, have your
routes organized for the most efficient travel times, get the
latest maps, and so on.
Message Date/Time:
Friday, 05-Feb-99
22:03:13
Re: What types of advertising seem to work
best?
... Ali,
I couldn't believe when I read your message.
It sounded like you were talking about me and my husband (except
for the baby!). We started in March of 98 also and have about
50 customers. My husband was originally in business with
someone else but that did not work out. We went on our own in
Aug. with 29 customers we retained. Believe it or not we have
pick up quite a few new customers in December and January
without even advertising.
My husband has his truck
lettered and it has brought much business. In the past two days
we have had two call for condo complexes. One found us in the
"yellow pages" and the other someone told her about us. Our
goal is also for 140 to 150! We will be putting ads in the
local papers. We also went to a Humane Society Adoption day and
offered first month free if people adopted a dog. They are also
having a walk-a-thon that we will be attending.
Well I
guess I rambled enough. Good luck and keep me
posted!
Barbara
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 10-Feb-99
03:48:43
Re: What types of advertising seem to work
best?
... My question would be more along the lines of why you are
losing so many clients (a 1 to 1 ratio seems
high)?
John
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 03-Mar-99
09:12:46
Re: What types of advertising seem to work
best?
... Hi folks,
i have been in business for about 6
months. I put out flyers around town and gone door to door. No
customers. However I have found a niche in my area which since
i live in a fairly small state expect to spread. I just do
Complexs condo townhome and Apt. I have a minimum charge and
these people have figured out it is easier and cheaper to have
me do it then send out certified letters to people who are
violators. I have 3 complexs right now and expect to have 10-15
by Sept. All by word of mouth however advertising is about to
start.
Message Date/Time:
Friday, 05-Feb-99
15:21:39
Marketing pay-offs
... Yea! We just got our first article in the newspaper.
Several radios picked up the story and called us for interviews
(one was in Eureka, California--even though we're in Salt Lake
City). The result? Not much, but better than nothing. We got two
new customers and a contract with the kennel club to do their
shows this year. And who knows how much name
recognition?
We're about to do a trial postcard mailing
of 1200 cards to one zip code. We'll mail again to the same area
in four weeks. Anyone else tried mass mailings? What was your
response rate?
Message Date/Time:
Sunday, 07-Feb-99
13:40:20
Re: Marketing pay-offs
... Might be easier and cheaper just to put out flyers door to
door in the same area every 4 weeks. Try home owner
associations. Most of the time they will let you advertise in
there newsletter for a small fee and it reaches an entire
neighborhood that normally is no solictations.
Frank
K-9 Connections
Message Date/Time:
Monday, 08-Feb-99
23:52:07
Re: Marketing pay-offs
... I've done direct mail to dog owner mailing lists - I'd say
I got more pissed off people than clients. Most were incredulous
that their names were available as a known 'dog
owner'.
If I were to do it again, I would print on the
send the phone number of the list provider (in small print).
Saves the aggrevation.
I did pick up a couple of clients,
about on par with the national standard DM response rate, around
1%.
And the flyers - be sure that whoever you hire to
drop them will be responsible for any damages that are a direct
result of the send (I had one flyer that wound up sliding in
between the mesh of the screen door & the metal grating. The
owner of the house tore the mesh trying to extract the flyer had
to replace the screen).
John Ross
Scoopers Dog Waste
Removal Service
Message Date/Time:
Tuesday, 09-Feb-99
12:32:59
Re: Re: Marketing pay-offs
... We did flyers for a while. It took too much time. We
thought about hiring someone to drop flyers for us, but decided
we'd rather target our market to known dog owners only. We got
our list from animal control. They printed any zip code we
wanted, right onto labels. We ended up doing 4,500 labels for
$25. The "To" line reads "resident," so no one really knows that
we're just targeting dog owners. 1% return rate would be great!
Thanks for the info.
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 10-Feb-99
02:39:38
Re: Re: Re: Marketing pay-offs
... One thing I found with using a large, bulk flyer output
(blind output, not targeted) is you get those people whose
parents, brothers, co-workers, etc., are owned by dogs through a
referral by the non-dog people.
Just a thought. I've got
about 100,000 flyers going out shortly in my area. I'll let
y'all know how it goes.
John
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 10-Feb-99
13:03:46
Re: Re: Re: Re: Marketing pay-offs
... Good thought.
Message Date/Time:
Monday, 15-Feb-99
17:04:27
Re: Re: Re: Re: Marketing pay-offs
... Ya got guts, man. Whatcha gonna do if you get a 1%
response? That's 1000 new yards that haven't been cleaned
recently!
Message Date/Time:
Monday, 15-Feb-99
21:39:19
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marketing pay-offs
... This time I have people ready to start
New Scooper in town!
... Hello fello Scoopers, Re: New Scooper in town!
... Welcome to the Poop Mines! Re: New Scooper in town!
... very interested in anything new in scooping the poop for
the australian market especially interested in
disposable The POOP stops here!
... Hello everyone in scooper-land! We are a new addition to
the neighborhood, but we have been at this for some time now.
Our first 9 months of business was spent on creating the next
level of this industry. We have taken a full blown approach at
making this business a profesional and commercial endeavor from
day one! After building our format and marketing plan our
research led us to all of you. It was very encouraging to see
so much interest across the nation. Our thanks to all of those
we talked to and were able to share knowledge with. We have
actually been scooping just under two months with about 20
customers at start-up. The local paper did a great story and
photo shoot on us that actually went out over the AP wire. We
have had calls from all over. WMAQ in Chicago just gave us an
over the phone interview for future airing. We have formed
ourselves into a corporation and have taken all legal steps to
begin selling franchises. Our first one being sold in Chicago
this month. We offer a complete turn-key package with vehicles
to computers to launch you as a professional service right out
of the gate. We have a very large legal firm behind us and we
have gained much knowledge from the business side that we can
share to help you try and prevent any future problems. Pet laws
in relation to law suits is really becoming a hot topic and
there is a real risk out there if you don't protect youself.
Any one wanting to start-up a Scooping business needs to have
this knowledge. Our entire package isn't all that bad to have
either. Kudos to everyone out there. This is an open market
for all and we firmly believe that there is more POOP out there
than all of us can get to. Feel free to contact us at our
e-mail address(Website is forth coming) or call us at our
toll-free number 1-877-SCOOPIN. MAKING THE WORLD A SAFER PLACE
TO WALK! From all of us here at POOP BUSTERS INC. Re: The POOP stops here!
... Let me see if I've got this straight - I pay you franchise
fees, etc., for which you give me a vehicle ($1,000 for an old
pickup), computer (got one or I wouldn't be here), software
(quickbooks works well), advertising/design/marketing strategies
(free help from SCORE if you want it & take a peek at what the
successful poop scoop companies do) & legal guidance (see
lawyer, get insurance) along with the world of experience that
you have within this field (2 months)... Re: Re: The POOP stops here!
... Well said, John and Pat!!!!!! Re: Re: The POOP stops here!
... One more thing - I would imagine that the information will
basically match what is available withing the INEXSPENSIVE
one-time expenditure book by Matthew, available through this
site. Re: The POOP stops here!
... Ditto! Well said John. Re: The POOP stops here!
... What I like so much about this business is that it's one of
the last true "little guy" opportunities. For a couple hundred
dollars and a little guidance (Matt's book, for example), and of
course a lot of initiative (which you need whether or not you
buy a franchise), you can be in business. John's suggestions for
using your community's business resources is good. Re: The POOP stops here!
... I don't want to rain on your parade, but a franchise has
very little value at this point. There is no national or even
regional name recognition. To the scooping community, from Poop
Busters, Inc.
... To the Scooping Community: Re: To the scooping community, from Poop
Busters, Inc.
... I don't remembering "Bashing" your company as you so call
it. I only voiced my opinion, which is also what you seem to be
doing yourself. Trust me . . . I'm NOT threatened by your
company . . . Re: To the scooping community, from Poop
Busters, Inc.
... To the Scooping Community: Anyone still reading this thread?
... Isn't this fun? A little lively discussion around change in
our industry is a good thing, don'cha think? Want to do this part time
... I would like to start a part time poooper service, in the
Decatur, IL area. What is the best way to advertise for the
short term? I only want to do this until I find something more
in line with my education. Parvo spread prevention
... DOes anyone have a source for the spray you use to
disinfect your shoes and tools? The stuff we purchased at the
local pet store is too much $ Re: Parvo spread prevention
... Mike, Re: Parvo spread prevention
... New England Serum Company as several kinds of disinfectant
that would work. Their lowest cost deordorizing cleaner is
Lemon-256, which killes canine parvovirus as well as other
viruses, bacteria and fungi. One gallon makes 256 gallons.
Cost is $23.54 per gallon, which works out to less than 10 cents
a gallon. New Pooper Scooper on Market FS
... Maybe this invention we developed is something you
shouldn't be without. Vendors welcome, let's
talk.
John
Scoopers Dog Waste Removal Service
Message Date/Time:
Sunday, 07-Feb-99
03:54:14
This website is great!
My wife and I started our own business called SCOOP-NO-MORE.
We got our DBA from the courthouse to lock in our name. We did
not think there were many people in the scooping business until
we found this website. I think it is a great way to share ideas
with each other. The hardest part of the business is getting
the word out. The second is disposal of waste.
Please
send me ideas and I will do the same in
return.
Dave
SCOOP-NO-MORE
Message Date/Time:
Monday, 15-Feb-99
16:59:14
What's your
geographic location?
Message Date/Time:
Friday, 19-Feb-99
06:42:30
please provide samples and prices of your
products...
regards
Message Date/Time:
Sunday, 07-Feb-99
22:58:22
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 10-Feb-99
03:42:40
Am I missing
something here? Most of us do this because we do not want to
work within a static, structured environment and enjoy working
for ourselves - not for a franchiser or other business owner. If
I want to change something, I do it. No checking with corporate.
Most people are looking to get OUT from under someone, at least
those to whom I've spoken within this field.
But I am
certain that you will do well. People do tend to love 'safety'
and packages. Good luck to you. And no, it isn't like many other
fields - there is not enough poop to go around. A given area can
handle only x amount of scoopers, others will lose
money.
John
Scoopers Dog Waste Removal Service
Message Date/Time:
Thursday, 11-Feb-99
21:04:10
Message Date/Time:
Thursday, 11-Feb-99
23:37:26
Just my opinion.
John Ross
Scoopers Dog
Waste Removal Service
Message Date/Time:
Thursday, 11-Feb-99
06:07:22
Message Date/Time:
Thursday, 11-Feb-99
17:30:43
I
feel defensive against franchising because I know it isn't
necessary to pay a franchise fee or buy special franchisee
equipment to get going in this business. A franchise isn't a
good value unless a customer base comes with it already.
Franchises are valuable for name recognition and for having all
the kinks ironed out in advance. There just aren't that many
kinks in this simple little business. And name recognition?
Hmmm... That could be an advantage--if you became the McDonalds
of poop-scooping.
I'd rather see someone sell start-up
kits (maybe minimal level to deluxe). Include Matt's book.
At the same time, I love free enterprise--so if you can
sell franchises in this business, why not? Some people'll like
the idea and be willing to pay for the felt
security.
Good luck. Maybe your visibility will help grow
my business.
Message Date/Time:
Monday, 15-Feb-99
16:58:02
If you take a look at the
history of this business, you'll notice that the franchise
sellers are all gone, often in bankruptcy. That isn't because
people haven't tried, or because they haven't been prepared.
It's because they're trying to sell what you can pick up for
free.
As has been pointed out, very little money is
required to start. Asking a few questions gets you both some
worthwhile answers AND get you noticed in your community.
Learning how and building it yourself is part of the reason most
of us are doing this. (Yes, I know. I bought PET BUTLER. I
spent the previous 5 plus years working for Matt building the
business before that.)
If this is such a great deal, why
not say what you offer and what you charge, right here in the
open? If it's really a good deal, folks here will jump on it.
If it's not, you can find out before you go broke trolling for
suckers.
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 17-Feb-99
20:15:48
The right to express
your opinion is one of the freedoms we have in this country. We
also have a few other rights. The freedom to enterprise and
prosper are the ones we tend to favor. It’s unfortunate you
feel so threatened by what we are doing.
Every aspect of our
business is done in a professional manner. From our truck to
our paperwork, and even to our uniforms. Our customers see a
neat and clean operation that shows up looking professional and
doing a job to match that look. Proper marketing and
advertising is the key to the success of any business large or
small.
We did in depth research for over 9 months without
even knowing about this website or Matthews book. We happened
upon this information after we were already operational.
Matthews’s book was fine. What we found amazing was we had
already covered everything he had. With our approach we feel we
improved and added some things to coincide with the commercial
application we were striving for. No offense meant to Matthew
at all. His book is perfect for the purpose for which it
serves. Lets face facts. Scooping dog poop is not rocket
science. What we have brought to this is our “World of
Experience” in the business and marketing fields which me and my
partners have a combined total of over 45 years working in
management for major corporations.
Our package is very
thorough and well thought out. We are proving that with our
local business. What you all forget, are that these structured
corporate types you are trying to avoid started out just like
you, only they had vision to foresee a need that would develop
and grow. Henceforth they grew their companies to meet those
very needs. We have that vision for this industry.
We are
out to hurt no one. With our article going out on the AP wire,
we have received many nation wide calls. When they inquire
about service we try and direct them to someone (i.e. Scoopers
listed in the directory) in their area that can scoop for them.
We have also enjoyed answering questions to new startups that
have contacted us by phone.
Granted, Franchises aren’t for
everyone, but we have seen the interest and plan on fulfilling
the needs of those who would want it. We have yet to actually
solicit a franchise sale. After our prospects have observed our
operation, marketing, and instant results, they have approached
us asking for franchise information. It’s just the age-old
adage of supply and demand.
We have observed that many of
the Scoopers are content in allowing their business to grow to a
manageable level that they can control themselves and stopping
there. This is not our vision. When we grow it helps the whole
industry and the public awareness will be beneficial for all.
How can this industry ever gain National and/or Regional
recognition if someone doesn’t take the initiative and risks to
make that happen?
McDonalds has gained its position based on
recognition through the use of proper marketing and advertising
venues. Without McDonalds there would be no Burger King,
Hardees, Arby’s, etc. It just goes to show that he who takes
the biggest risk stands to gain or lose the most. Welcome to
capitalism in the free world.
Those of you, who chose to
bash POOP BUSTERS INC., should not be so quick to judge. Thanks
to those who had some words of encouragement.
- All of
us at POOP BUSTERS INC.
“Been there, Dung that.”
Message Date/Time:
Monday, 22-Feb-99
06:48:05
Have a nice day!
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 24-Feb-99
01:15:29
>>The right to express
your opinion is one of the freedoms we have in this country. We
also have a few other rights. The freedom to enterprise and
prosper are the ones we tend to favor. It’s unfortunate you feel
so threatened by what we are doing.<<
It's not a matter of
threatened by any means. The subject of developing franchise was
discussed here (at Scoopers) 2 years ago, it simply didn't (and
doesn't) interest me.
>>Every aspect of our business is done
in a professional manner. From our truck to our paperwork,
Again, the above doesn't require paying someone else a
franchise fee.
>>Proper marketing and advertising is the key
to the success of any business large or small.<<
This is
true, to think otherwise is foolish.
>>We did in
Visits
to a SCORE office will result in meeting people with a combined
"World of Experience" in biz & mktng (for free) totaling
hundreds of years.
>>Our package is very thorough and well
thought out.<<
I'm certain that it is, to offer anything else
would be a waste of your time and other's money.
>>What you
all forget,
I
beleive it is not that anyone (or most) lacks the 'vision' to
see a need and work to fulfill that need. Rather, when it comes
to a desire to remain smaller, it is because they are sick and
tired of working within a corporate structure, working under
someone else, might want a uniform that looks like a Trekkie
this year, etc. Thus, the idea of maintaining a smaller, self
owned & operated business is appealing.
>>We are out to hurt
no one.<<
This is, in my opinion, an untruth. That statement
would mean that you would, of course, check to see if there are
already any Scooping businesses within specific geographic areas
and, if there is, you would certainly not sell a franchise
within that area. Most companies would like nothing better than
to remove the competition, which will 'hurt someone'.
>>With
our article going out on the AP wire
Until such time as you have a
franchisee in that area - in the meantime thank you for the
referrals.
>>Granted, Franchises [big snip] When we grow it
helps the whole industry and the public awareness will be
beneficial for all. How can this industry ever gain National
and/or Regional recognition if someone doesn’t take the
initiative and risks to make that happen?<<
To an extent, yes
it will be beneficial. However, to be realistic, when one
watches a commercial for (to use your following example)
McDonalds the reaction generally won't be "I saw an ad for
McDonalds - let's go to Burger King!".
>>McDonalds has gained
its position based on recognition through the use of proper
marketing and advertising venues. Without McDonalds there would
be no Burger King, Hardees, Arby’s, etc.<<
This is also true.
Without McDonalds there would be no B.K., Arby's, etc. There
would, of course, still be thousands of smaller burger joints
around, along with many more mom and pop eateries - you remember
them, the that actually served, well, good food?
>>It just
goes to show that he who takes the biggest risk stands to gain
or lose the most.<<
The biggest risk takers are those who
start from scratch, without the corporate guidance, etc. Jeez,
does this mean I can gain the most - on my own?
Hmmmm
>>Welcome to capitalism in the free world.<<
I love
capitalism. Just not when it may affect me
>>Those of
you, who chose to bash POOP BUSTERS INC., should not be so quick
to judge.<<
Um, who bashed? I still think you have the
potential to do quite well - all I'm saying (and yes it is ONLY
my opinion) is that I see no reason for such a franchise to
exist, when it is fairly simple to accomplish without buying
into it. And of course I'm (and others) are quick to judge. Did
you truly think that the Independent Mom & Pop Scoopers of the
World would welcome a corporation like this with open arms? Ask
the small hardware stores (remember them?) who went out of
business when the Major Players moved in. I'm certain that this
is also a concern for most. Again, as I stated previously, most
of us simply do not like the idea of working for others, thus
the reactions. Quick judgement? Hardly. I worked in management
for a couple of decades at a medium size corporation, as such my
judgement was not quick - it has come from years of Corporate
Experience. I realized after a while that I'd watched over 600
people come and go, and I was still staring at the same four
walls. I decided to change it, and now I have a blast Scooping
(which a lot of people don't seem to understand - I can't
explain it, either).
>>Thanks to those who had some words of
encouragement.<<
You're welcome! As I said, the potential for
this (I assume) is there. If you didn't do it someone else would
have, eventually. I respect anyone who has an idea and brings it
to fruition. It's just that I hate to see what seems to be one
of the last of the shoestring startup opportunities fade away,
with franchises available many will feel the need to go that way
if they want to succeed - but then again I suppose the
destruction of small mom & pop business has become the American
way...
John Ross
Scoopers Dog Waste Removal
Service
p.s. - I quit smoking 3 days ago so I hope the
above wasn't too rabid. I haven't reread it.
Message Date/Time:
Monday, 22-Feb-99
11:51:51
I don't
like the corporate "ka-ching" mentality, myself. I get enough of
that at work. I was hopeful this poop-scooping business would
remain for the little guy.
I've talked to a few callers
about starting their own businesses. I tell them everything I
can think of to help them get started on their own. Lately,
however, I've realized that they'll never start on their own
without some hand-holding. Enter franchising. Like I said
before, it'll be great for some, unecessary for others. Even
those who go the franchise route will still need the same
diligence, attention to service and quality, and dedication as
the folks who realize a franchise isn't required.
Please
don't feel threatened by our comments on this board. You'll do
fine. We're just reacting to the attitude of...
I smell
money...I smell money...
Message Date/Time:
Tuesday, 09-Feb-99
20:42:18
Post here or email me any
suggestions. Thanks.
Terry
Message Date/Time:
Tuesday, 09-Feb-99
21:00:31
Can't find a supplier on the
web either.
Ideas?
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 10-Feb-99
14:45:43
I purchased some disinfectant From R. C. Steele.
It's called Ken-Care and it is effective against Parvo. 2 oz
added to 1 gal will disinfect. A gallon costs 23.98 so it should
last a long time.Their Phone # 800-872-3773 and web site
isWWW.RCSTEELE.Com Hope this helps.
Mick
Message Date/Time:
Friday, 12-Feb-99
21:01:24
New England Serum has other kinds available,
too. To order or to ask for a free catalog, call
1-800-637-3786.
Another source is Pacific Northwest
Beauty Supply (I know, I know... strange name for a place to
buy kennel disinfectant). They sell a dry concentrate that you
mix with water, and it kills a huge list of canine pathogens,
including parvo. Call
1-800-944-0008.
Matthew
Message Date/Time:
Wednesday, 10-Feb-99
16:51:47
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